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Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie‘s definition of feminism was featured on Beyonce‘s 2013 song ***Flawless. The feature, sampled from a TED talk Adichie gave, is such a significant part of the song that she’s even credited as featured artist on it. Though that was three years ago, and Beyonce has since dropped another stellar album, Chimamanda’s moment on the song is far from forgotten.

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Now, she’s speaking out about how her feminism differs from Queen Bey’s. The major factor in this difference? Men. Click on the audio player to hear more from Gary With Da Tea in this exclusive clip from Gary’s Tea.

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